During my time with YMT, Director Pete Gallagher spared some time for me to grill him on the professional audition process. In addition to his roles as performer and more recently director in many a major production, Pete is also known to sit on many an audition panel and works with several of our major drama schools here in the UK…

A.First up, tell us a bit about yourself, who are you and what do you in the performing arts industry?
P. Well I left Drama college in 1983 and I was told I wouldn’t work because I was too tall and apparently I’m too soft. I then worked for 25 years so I suspect they were wrong… instead of shying away from the fact that I’m very tall, I made the most of it. So I marketed myself as that big tall bloke with the big booming bass baritone voice and ended up going from big tall role to big tall role and wasn’t out of the west for 15/16 years until I decided to take a break. After that I decided to focus a little more on directing and coaching and then got into television coaching for Andrew Lloyd Webber, Strictly Come Dancing, Gladiators etc. and about 4 years ago I decided it was probably time to get back into live theatre shows, big time, so I started to do west end shows again which I discovered I didn’t enjoy very much so I’m now being very picky and choosy with my work, I’m doing lots of work with drama colleges and lots of directing and writing.
A. So what is it about Drama College’s that draws you to them?
P. Talent! I just adore talent, I love working with talented people. I find it quite difficult to work in smaller drama colleges who’ve taken the people everywhere else has rejected, not because I have anything against those people but because I thrive on other peoples talent and if there isn’t as much raw talent in the room my job is made very, very difficult because I know that a lot of the things I want to achieve, I can’t because they just don’t have the natural ability but when I work somewhere like ArtsEd in London, or GSA I find that I am surrounded by people who have got so much to offer that they inspire me and I love working with them.
A. Thats fantastic! Over the course of an audition season, roughly how many people do you think you see each year?
P. Pffft… So I take summer audition courses at GSA and see about 50, 60 people, I’ve taken auditions at East 15 drama college… oh blimey! I head up the YMT auditions where I see about a 1,000 a year as I organise the whole thing… It sort of depends. I work for Associated Studio’s (which is in Baron’s court by the way, run by Leotine Hass who’s an amazing vocal coach!), Arts Ed, GSA, I’m talking about the last year or 2 now, the American Musical Theatre Academy and that’s about it for the last couple of years, so all-told probably about 15 hundred a year overall.
A. That’s a lot of candidates, how does the standard vary from summer schools to the more advanced students?
P. It’s interesting there’s a level of older student who obviously brings something different to the room but is normally not as enthusiastic and energetic as the younger ones, there’s a level of keenness which makes the energy sometimes go in all the wrong directions. It’s the people in the middle who are the really exciting ones, normally the 18/19 to 22/23 year olds. So that group in the middle, who know they are going to spend 3 years of their lives studying something and are really excited because they know there’s a whole life change ahead of them, as long as they have some form of life experience before, they’re the most exciting group usually. I love working with older students but they’re very aware they’re never going to play the younger roles, they’re limited before they’ve even started in their heads really, but the range, if somebody has left school and had a job and travelled a bit and fallen in love, fallen out with their parents and moved out then gone back home again and made it up… that range of human and life emotions makes it all fall into place as long as it’s mixed with the right amount of talent.
A. So, what is the weirdest thing you have seen at an audition?
P. Oh good grief!… The weirdest are commercial auditions… I want you to represent the smile seen on a sailors faces when he first see’s a large fish, that kind of stuff, it’s nonsense, it really is nonsense! But at proper auditions, I went for an audition once for Batman, the arena show and they told me the guy in before me, for the part of the joker, had actually pulled a revolver out and pointed it at the audition panel in order to try and frighten them so they immediately called security which I don’t think did his chances any good at all… There was a piece in the speech they sent us that said he pulled a revolver out so he chose to take an imitation revolver which was just ridiculous… I’ve seen people turn up in every wild colour they could possibly think of and they think it makes them (with gestures) “wacky” but it doesn’t it makes them mental! And they turn up in fluorescent pink, yellow green and they bounce in and they say something like “I’m mad, I am. I’ll be brilliant at this college, you wouldn’t believe what I’m like at parties!” and you just think No, you’re not this is really nonsense. The craziest thing I was ever asked to do was for Lord of the Rings, they said there’ll be an assault course and they asked me to hurl myself across a pile of broken furniture and I just said no, I’m going home now! And people were injuring themselves all morning!
A. As a Panellist…
….NO! I’m gonna change my mind, the greatest audition ever, a polish film director, (whilst miming actions) he balanced a pound coin here (points to the flat of his hand) and you had to put your hand above his head and you had to try and catch the coin before it hit the floor, then he sent you to buy bread… that was, that was the audition. And he asked me to shave, so I mimed shaving my face and he said “why you shave your face, how boring! Why not you shave your shoes, why not you shave a goat!” So I started shaving my shoes, as you do, thinking this man is mad. Then he sent me to buy bread and I came back and he shouted “this is not bread” and he threw it out the window, slice by slice he threw it out the window, told me his flat was bugged so it didn’t matter and uh asked me to do a couple of other things, I said no to the part when he offered me it because he is obviously as mad as box of frogs! …I love him, I love him, it had nothing to do with the play he was casting at all he just got carried away.
A. That’s brilliant! When you’re on a panel what do you specifically look for in a successful candidate?
P. I look for rawness, I look for someone who has clearly got talent but they don’t think they’re wonderful but they do think they possibly have something, so I look for a bit of confidence. No arrogance, confidence is good. Um, I look for rawness, a spark of something, in particular, I tend to be called on to panels where they would like their students mixed up a bit because I tend to like dangerous artists. I like people who bring a bit of danger into the room and do something really brave and even if they screw up I love the fact that they’ve done something brave. So I tend to look for a raw spark of, you’ve got bravery, you’ve got some really bold choices, it doesn’t matter to me how many of them go wrong because if they’re your choices, they’re worth something and then I consider that person on their own terms, not on some formula many colleges work towards. For instance, this is what GSA likes, if they give me a call and say will you come in, it means they’ve got enough of those “bog standard” people and they’re looking for someone who’s a bit of a maverick because those people keep groups alive. So I tend to go in looking for someone with a dangerous spark, but mix that with talent. It’s very easy to spot talent, it’s also very easy to spot people who have only ever done something for – no disrespect – say stagecoach. You know all they do, they smile, they look out front and they shout their lines very loudly, it’s very easy to spot those people. I look for naturalness and people who are completely engaged in the moment.
A. And what are the most common mistakes you see candidates making?
P. Uhh, The biggest mistake they ever make is they copy someone else’s performance, which they always do. Somebody comes in and does an Adele song and sings it exactly like Adele or, or tries to do a Barbara Streisand song – Don’t do that! You’re gonna be compared to her, especially if you try and imitate her but um, that’s the biggest one ever. There’s nothing there, there’s no originality there, that’s just somebody thinking I can do what someone else can do. The most exciting thing is when somebody engages you for their own reasons, on their own terms. And I suppose the other thing is something I learnt in academic teaching which is most people fail their exams because they didn’t answer the question they were asked, they simply said everything they knew about that subject and if that’s not the question they were asked they fail their exam. And the same thing happens quite a lot in drama college, especially the interviews. You talk to someone, you ask them something specific and they immediately turn the subject round to how impressive their life has been so far and you think, well, that’s not what I asked you. I don’t want to know how many amateur productions you’ve done when the question I asked you was “what’s the last show you saw” or “who are the actors that inspire you”. So I would say answer the question you’re asked and make sure you are bring yourself to the audition and not someone else’s performance.
A. So how do the drama school auditions differ from each other?
P. They’re all different! Its really good to do your research into who wants what at a drama college. For instance GSA will do one discipline first, they’ll do the singing first, you go to ArtsEd the musical theatre course is run by a choreographer, Chris Hocking, so he wants to check out everyone’s dancing. A common mistake that’s made is you think “oh god, I’m not a dancer so I’m not even going to make it through the first stage.” …a lot of people do because they do it with gusto, it’s marked down they’re not a natural dancer but they’ve got a lot of bravery so let’s see them in the next round. You’ve got 3 disciplines, you have to start with one of them. But then you go somewhere like Central and you go for the morning audition and if you pass you’re kept for the afternoon, so you get an instant recall. So of 50 people who turn up in the morning maybe 12 will be kept. I think that’s a wonderful method. You can assess people reasonably quickly, not in 10 minutes but over 4 hours you can assess people quite well, keep the dozen you’re interested in, push them further. It might be 1, it might be 12 of those that end up impressing you or it might be none of them but at least you’ve worked with the people who showed they have gumption and talent a little bit longer. But RADA you’re in, you’re out and it’s still 50 quid, so do your research, find out which audition style would suit you best.
A. Last of all, top 3 pieces of advice to aspiring actors?
P. Argh! … Listen and be – that’s the greatest piece of advice ever, nobody does either really. Um, Never, ever, ever stop learning or be so arrogant to think you have nothing left to learn I should say and…Always value experience, never write it off as old school!